57 - Time Travel, The Multiverse, and High Strangeness with Bob Lament
Too Hard For The Radio ·
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What's going on? It's time for another episode of Too Hard for the Radio, transmitting from the future free state of greater Idaho. I am the one arm madman. And with me today, we've got Bob Lamet. He's a little cat. Look at him over there. Thanks for coming on, Bob. Hey, how's it going? Not too bad, man. I was kind of hoping when I saw your profile picture that this was actually going to be it. I was like, this should be fun. So that's cool. This is it.
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This is it. Right on. So how are we doing? Why the cat? You know, it's kind of fun. I've got, you know, I'm a I identify as a blue cat,
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so therefore I might as well put that in the chat. Yeah, no, I identify as someone with two hands. So anytime someone asks me how I lost their hand, I just yell. I just scream bigot at
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them and then like throwing things. There you go. You're like, hey, what is this? Yeah, stupid bigot. Come on.
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If you can't see my hand, I'd yeah, if you can't see my left hand, that is your problem. Not mine. Well, I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.
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to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to
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lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie.
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You're going to feel them because all those nerve endings are still running up to your brain.
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It's wild. And they like they love to cut. Doctors just love to cut. I think like as soon as as soon as they get the like, we can cut something. I think they just get all fired up and want to start cutting. It's like that's been essentially the answer for everything. It's like, oh, well, we could try a couple of these medications. That might help with the pain or we can cut you open again.
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We can. All right. I'm free on Tuesday if you don't mind getting sliced up.
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Exactly. Then they went for my neck. It was like, well, we can't really figure out how to make your hands stop hurting. So why don't we dig into your neck and your back? Yeah, we can.
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We'll look. We'll trace those nerves back to the to the source there.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah,
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so they gave me this this spinal cord stimulator that, oh, boy, this is it's just been a nightmare. Anyways,
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electric electrical thing that they put on your back or his little electrical pulses or
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so it's in my back. So it's like a little pager essentially that they mounted into my lower back. And then they ran electrical leads like up my spinal column into the back of my neck. So they kind of are able to deliver electrical shock to my nervous system. And in the area where like the nerves go to your hands. So they're able to kind of get it in there and they'll, you know, shoot a little bit of electricity and or a lot of electricity, however much I feel like. Yeah. You know, it works all right. Crank it up to eleven. So, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. In the beginning, like they they had they had it in wrong and I had it cranked up to like thirty five. And they well, you know what? Your anatomy is bad. So let's cut you open again and fix it.
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There's nothing this scalpel can't do, son.
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Exactly. Oh, man. I they can't wait to be able to get the laser stuff in there. They they all love lasers.
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They oh, man, someday we're going to be able to get in here with lasers and really do some work to you.
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We'll run it up your leg and I'll go all the way to your back. Right. Yeah. No kidding. No, that's wild. But hey, well, first of all, I'm sorry that your hand got messed up and then you're having to go through all this. But I do. I'm familiar. I'll put it that way. I don't have I still have my hand, but I'm familiar with other folks who are missing various parts and they tell me about it. So that's why I thought I'd ask.
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Yeah, it's you know. There's no stat in this country that is more telling of like the state of the people in our country than when you look up how many hand amputees there are versus how many leg amputees. It's like. I want to say it's like 20,000 hand amputees and then like 200,000 leg amputees, you know, right. And it's just all because of diabetes, like these people just get diabetes and they just start hacking their feet off, you know.
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Well, you can't feel it anyway.
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We might as well just take it out of
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there. Right. Oh, man.
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Oh, that's terrible. That's terrible.
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Well, tell me about you. I feel like I'm on your podcast right now. Oh, that's OK. I'm labyrinth about myself.
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I read your I read your name over here on the thing here. This is one arm madman. And I was like, hey, he really is.
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He's not got anything on the other side. Yeah.
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Yeah. I I'm an Ozzy Osborne fan and. Diary of a of a of a mad man. Great album. And I started doing like it. And I started doing like a blog a while back before I before I did the podcast, because he sit around and like I was injured for a while. So I'm like sitting around the house doing nothing and just like wanting to air out my grievances about the world with nobody around. So I did like the blog thing. And I titled it Diary of a One-armed Madman. Kind of the Ozzy Osborne things. That's kind of how I hope Ozzy
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didn't bite your hand off. But he's he's known to bite things randomly. So and in his past.
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Yeah. And actually, I have a dog named Ozzy and he bites me all the freaking time.
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So
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so he's still biting things.
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Oh, yeah. Yeah,
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yeah. Yeah. But no, it's wild. That's just why, you know, I hope obviously you're getting along just fine. Yeah, I see you got a two wheel vehicular device behind you there.
SPEAKER_00
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I do. I've got my dual back here. This was my I bought this bad boy. I was living in San Francisco and I was a dirt bike racer growing up. And finally, I got sick of riding the bus and taxis are too expensive. So I bought this this street legal dirt bike and I started screaming around town and I was just having a blast running from cops in the park in the middle of the night after I get off of work, just raising hell. And finally, I kept like running it out of gas on the freeway because it didn't have a fuel gauge on it. And I would just forget how much fuel was in it. So I'd run this thing out of fuel on the freeway. And I'm like reaching down, trying to grab at the petcock to put it into into reserve. And I just couldn't do it. And after I finally died on the freeway for the third or fourth time, I was like, I'm just going to buy a bike that's meant to go on the road. That's probably what I should do.
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Yeah. Well, you had to do stop and do the pop the cap off and do the jiggle. See if you can tell how much gas you got left in the tank or
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hit. Yeah. Yeah.
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Luckily, I had a reserve otherwise that had been completely screwed. And like,
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yeah, I'm sure on the highway, it's kind of a little bit daunting to run out of gas and have to coast over to the side with everybody swishing by you.
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Especially if you're in the left lane, like I would run in the left lane, too. So it's like, holy shit, I either got to stay in this little, you know, two foot lane between me and the wall or I got to make my way over to the right lane.
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That's wild. That's why I don't think I would want to ride anything on two wheels out on the highway, to be honest with you. So,
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you know, but you say that now. But when you start piling onto the bus at five o'clock in the morning and like random Chinese people are sitting on your lap because that's just what they do in China. Then you go, hey, you know what? Maybe a dirt bike wouldn't suck so bad.
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Maybe maybe maybe I wouldn't have so much. I don't really need a bus lap dance. So if I got a motorcycle, I could avoid some of these unwanted bus lap
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dances. The first time that happened to me, I was just like, what the hell is going on right now?
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Yeah, I can imagine.
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That's pretty wild. I wouldn't want to ride the bus period.
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But
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so, yeah, I guess you're right. Then maybe I'd get a little more courage and I'd be like, yeah, this isn't so bad.
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Yeah. And the car is just so difficult there because like you got to find parking, which is a nightmare. So it's like I'm parking my car a half a mile away from where I live. And you got to just like yank everything out of the car. Like the neighborhood I was living in, you can't leave anything in the car. So you just take everything out of it and leave the windows down all the time. And you know, by
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bus, the window.
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Yeah, because otherwise people just bust your window out. They're so stupid and lazy that they won't even check to see if you left it unlocked and those bust the window. So but then you get on the flip side. Now you get homeless people sleeping in it.
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Right.
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They're like, hey, this is a nice place to sit down for a while.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What was that movie? Dirty Chuck and the Boys.
SPEAKER_01
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Yeah, that's right. So now you're getting you're getting, you know, dirty genitals all over your upholstery.
SPEAKER_00
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Yeah, yeah, it was it was just a nightmare. That city is so wild. Like I lived there, I guess it was I think I left in one of late 2014, early 2015. And then within like a couple of years, it was all over the news that like San Francisco's is dirty, disgusting city. And I'm like, where have you all been? Like it was dirty and disgusting when I was there five years. You know, now it's been a while, but like it was a nightmare. Then I can't believe I had a guy. I had a homeless guy living on the side of my house at one point and he was doing cans at like five o'clock in the morning. He was gathering up all his cans and smashing his hands and like transferring from bag to bag and doing all that shit. And I'm like yelling and screaming in this guy. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. And he's, you know, screaming back, fuck you.
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I can live here if I want. And I'm
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dealing with these cans, man. Yeah, exactly.
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I got these cans, man. And I start spraying the hose at him and he just moved a little way so I couldn't get him with the hose anymore. And I finally I was like, I got to like call somebody. This is crazy. Like this is a week now that this guy's been waking me up at five o'clock in the morning. And when he said I can live here if I want, he was not lying because I called every number you can think of and nobody cared. Like it all went straight to voicemail and it was just, yeah, leave a message here and we'll get back to you if we feel like it. So I finally
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we're out. We're out smashing cans right now. We'll be back. And again, yeah, no,
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it was probably more like, hey, we're outside handing out needles, syringes right now.
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We'll get back to you. So I took it into my own hands and I got a bottle of syrup and I poured syrup all over his sleeping bag. And that was the last I saw. Oh,
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my gosh. Well, you never know. He may just sat there and sucked on a sleeping bag for a couple of days.
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Get some sugar and you may
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have been like a treat.
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You know, the funny thing was, is after he finally left, his buddies were coming over and knocking on my door, asking where he was.
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Yeah, this is his address.
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Yeah, and he lived right here.
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What's going on,
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man? 5146, you know, West Street outside. Yeah,
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yeah.
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That's why in San Francisco is really not that
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warm. No,
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not cold, but it's not warm
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all the time. No, and it's always wet. It's always wet and foggy and nasty. You get a little bit of nice weather in like September, October. But aside from that, yeah, like you don't want to live there. I lived out in the outer sunset at one point. Like I could see the ocean from the bedroom that I was renting. And you can see the ocean if there's no cloud, if there's no fog. But, you know, most of the time there's fog, so you can't see the ocean. So it's like one of these deals where you're paying extra for an ocean view that you don't even really have.
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Let's see if you want to pay extra, if you have some binoculars, you can see the ocean from this window.
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Yeah, if you're lucky, you might be able to spot a chicken, a bikini every three weeks.
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It comes with a binoculars that's part of the rent.
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Yeah, exactly. You got to
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leave them when you when you vacate, you got to leave the
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binoculars. And it also came with a naked hippie in the backyard because that's who owned the house.
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Oh, that's great. Yeah.
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Every morning he'd go out and stand, you know, spread eagle and stare up at the sun for 15 minutes naked.
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Well, he's getting all his vitamin D processing going there, I think.
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He's healthier. You know, he's in his 70s.
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He's probably still healthier than I am at this point. Yeah.
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It's all that, you know, Ben Franklin, you sit around naked every morning. So, oh, interesting. If he could do it, I suppose anybody could write a founding father. So, yeah, that's it. It was called the one this air bath.
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Oh, interesting. Oh, yeah, because
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an air bath and you just sit around naked. I think you also was a bit of a pervert. People don't talk about that too much.
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Well, they were kind of all a bit of a pervert. I mean, what how do you even like measure what a pervert was back then? It's just like, yeah, you know,
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sit around naked.
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Man, that
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would give us a little more than that.
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I've always considered like where I would go and what I would do if I had a time machine. And it just seems like it would all smell so bad that it would just know what I
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mean. You'd have to get used to that. Yeah.
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Yeah. It would just all smell like actually, I think like maybe even the tropical islands might be a little better than Europe, because at least you could be like warm enough to bathe in the water every day. But Europe must have just been disgusting.
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Yeah, that's why they had all that perfume and stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The douse themselves with perfume, apparently.
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So.
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Good for lack of hygiene or, you know, washing themselves hygiene. So
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and they just had horrible food back then, too. Like, I've read that. The reason they were called like the little people, like, you know, the elites would all the little people, the reason they were called the little people is because they were actually smaller than the elites. They stood like a whole head shorter and it was because their diet was so poor, like they didn't have any meat in their diet at all. So they were just eating garbage and, you know, drinking water with bacteria in it. And, you know, you can't afford booze back then.
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You're getting dirty water. So it's like, you know, yeah. So I actually had the little people is actually a deal where the elites were a full head taller than everybody else, just because they had like meat and dairy and shit.
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They had a more varied diet, I suppose, a more nutritious, varied diet.
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Yeah, right. And we should not not see anything weird about the elites trying to keep us from eating meat at this point. Nothing wrong
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with that. Now they want you not to eat meat,
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right? Yeah, exactly. They want to go back to a better time where not only were we dumber than them, but we were physically smaller.
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Right.
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Yeah, I got too many too many people eat too much meat and are getting all bulked up from all the the hormones they're putting in the cows or something. I don't know.
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Right. Yeah,
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I don't know. It's weird. I don't know. I think if I had a time machine, where would I go? That's a good question. I never really. I mean, I guess I pondered it a little bit because the first thing you always say is I'm going to go basically and build a fortune in the past that will come with me to the future. But I suppose to be a time machine, you know, that kind of thought doesn't make sense because you could just go wherever you want. You could run up a big bill and then just split.
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You don't need any money. Yeah, I have credit.
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But even if you did have like even if you could only go one place and have to stay there, like you'd be so much smarter than everybody, it would just be easy to be rich. You think I think so? Well, it would depend because you'd have to like be able to. It's different, I guess, for different people like I'm a physical guy, I can build stuff. Well, I used to be able to. But if I had two hands like I think I could do some blacksmithing or something like that and probably make some metal a little bit better than the guy. But again, like these people had so much experience and learn how to do things that maybe I couldn't figure something like that out. Yeah, I don't know. That's a good question. You know,
SPEAKER_01
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so you have you had a one way time machine. Which where would you would you go back or forward? That's a tough question. That's a real tough question. I don't know. I probably would want to go forward myself, but that's just just at the moment, that's what I'm thinking.
SPEAKER_00
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Yeah, I would always be a forward guy, too. Like, I want to see what's going to happen. But then you also run the risk of like, hey, let's go 300 years into the future. And there's just nothing there. Yeah, you know, it's like, oh,
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well, what
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did I do?
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I'm stuck. Yeah, I'm the only person here because everybody else blew up.
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I think I'd have to go back and see how the pyramids were built. I think that's got to be the move. Like, but then again, you don't know when to go back. It's like, hey, time machine, figure out when you don't like.
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Who knows how old these things are at this point? I got up
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and then. Yeah, it's true. You'll pop in and they'll be like, oh, hey, that guy, he can build a pyramid. We'll put him to work.
SPEAKER_00
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That's that's that's interesting. That's the pair. There's there's an interesting it's called a bootstrap paradox. So I read about this one. So say that you're the biggest Mozart or Beethoven fan in the world. And you go, I'm going to go back and watch him write his music. And you bring a book with all of his music and just see and kind of have it as a reference right there. Right. And you get back to the year that he's born. And there's nobody of that name. And you keep going into the future. There's still nobody of that name. And finally, you go, well, hell, I'm just going to go home and you throw the book onto a counter in a bar and you take off and then you get home and hey, there's a Beethoven. It's like, well, who who actually wrote the music at that point? Did anybody write the music? Yeah, it's weird.
SPEAKER_01
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Yeah, did you see there's a movie called Yesterday?
SPEAKER_01
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It's not it's kind of like that with this guy. The Beatles never happened. And then he basically knew all that he's the only person that remembers all the songs. And so he starts singing them and then he becomes famous for these songs that the Beatles wrote and becomes famous and so forth. It's as if the Beatles didn't happen, but he knew all of this. And so he became the the writer of all this music. So this is kind of it's kind of an interesting movie if you've never seen.
SPEAKER_00
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I think I've heard of it before. I don't think I've seen it before. There's another cool one that I saw a couple of years ago. It's called I think it's called The Secret History of Time Travel. And it's like a it's kind of like a mockumentary. So they're like doing a documentary about time travel and like who invented time travel. But like as the documentary goes, things start getting weird and changing because of like the way the time machine would change time. So like by the end, the Soviets were the first people on the moon and just like all this weird stuff. And it was a really interesting like mind bender. I love thinking about stuff like that, like what how could we screw with time so much? And yeah, that's a fun one. I really enjoyed that one.
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I'm writing this down.
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Yeah, yeah, the history of time travel. I think it might even be the secret history of time travel because, you know,
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I'll take a look and see if I can find that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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No,
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it's always fun to do these thought experiments and see what what would change, what wouldn't change, what would you know what would happen. I think there was a thing I read recently. It's actually something that goes back a bit because he's dead now. But I don't know. I'm blanking on the guy's name. Dang it. Here I had it in my mind. And then, of course, somebody time traveled and knocked it right out.
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Now he doesn't exist anymore.
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But the guy who maybe can help me here. So the guy in the wheelchair who's wrote all the books about wormholes. Oh,
SPEAKER_00
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yeah. Stephen Hawking. Stephen Hawking. So Stephen, how could you forget my name?
SPEAKER_01
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Yeah, exactly. So Stephen Hawking had written that obviously there's no there is no time travel in the future because we haven't met any time travelers.
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Yeah, yeah, that's kind of
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the I don't know. Don't you think they would not be so obvious, I mean, wouldn't it be? Yeah, yeah. More than likely, they have the ability to fabricate pretty much anything.
SPEAKER_01
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And so just like in the in the shows, they'd fabricate the clothing and the money and the identification and everything they needed to be here at a certain time. And then that way they wouldn't stick out, I would think. So I don't. So there you go. I don't agree with Stephen Hawking.
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Yeah, I don't.
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Obviously a genius of some sort here. But I think that, you know, maybe he's off on this one. I think they would be they could be here and we just would never know because they wouldn't reveal themselves, you know?
SPEAKER_00
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Yeah. Or like as time changes, it might just be like, say you've got a history book and we are all part of the history book because we're in it. And you go to, you know, somewhere forward or even somewhere back and you change something. It may change something further back, depending on how time works. If, you know, when you change something, does it branch off and do a separate timeline or do you get, you know, a parallel type of thing where things are just subtly different up to a point? And then it goes back to being the same again. If they were subtly changing things and it was like affecting the past as well as the future, we'd have no idea they were changing anything. It would just be like waking up one day and everything's different. I think that's kind of where like that. It's not the Streisand effect. I don't know the the Mandela effect where you kind of wake up and you go, whoa, wait a minute, this serial was named something different.
SPEAKER_00
00:24:44
Mandela died in prison like, yeah. And maybe you're the only person who even knows about it because of some weird thing with time. Yeah. I like that type of stuff because I like to look at something every once in a while and go, hmm, like if I was in charge, how would I? How would I do this? How would I how would I change this? How would I mess with this to where, you know, people would be happy with it and still it would benefit me. And that kind of starts to get really creepy when you do that.
SPEAKER_01
00:25:17
But I'm pretty sure that's what everybody goes around doing.
SPEAKER_01
00:25:22
How can this benefit me? Right.
SPEAKER_00
00:25:25
And, you know, then there's always. Oh, go ahead.
SPEAKER_01
00:25:26
Sorry. I was just the branching timelines always get me. So if you think about branching timelines, right. So you don't I don't know what you're going to say. You don't know what I'm going to say. Right. So each one of these, just in this conversation alone, we will have produced thousands, if not tens of thousands of timelines. So if you can take that and and calculate it out to even just all the people, now you're into the trillions and trillions of timelines just in this hour or so. Yeah. And if you extend that to all the creatures, then you get, you know, even more. And then if you extend it to all the insects, you get even more. And so it becomes so crazy with branches branches that I mean, it cannot be literally. I mean, can it? I mean, can it really branch that much? I mean, we're just talking over the course of an hour. You could have billions upon billions upon trillions upon trillions of timelines being branched because, you know, an ant took a left instead of a right with everybody else.
SPEAKER_01
00:26:39
And so then that becomes almost at odds with the idea of branching, don't you think?
SPEAKER_00
00:26:46
Yeah. And then how do we even like conceptualize something like that as people who really have no like grasp on numbers like that? Like the average person has no grasp on like what a million actually looks like, like a million dollars or a million bugs. Like it's such a large number that we can't even wrap our minds around it. Like, I remember at one point I was I was at this eclipse and we were looking through a solar a solar telescope at this eclipse. And the guy there was like a he worked for NASA or something. I don't know. He was smart. And he's shown us like here, look, you can see these little these little loops here on the outside are solar flares. And we're like, oh, that's freaking cool. And then he goes. Our earth, you could fit like 40 of our earths into one of those little little arches. And it's like one of the one of the flares. Yeah. And it's like, hold on a second. Like, I can't like I can't conceptualize that at all. Like, I can't even really conceptualize the size of the earth like an astronaut can from seeing if they're not actors, you know, but like,
SPEAKER_01
00:27:59
are you going to the conspiracy?
SPEAKER_00
00:28:01
Yeah, yeah, right. But, you know, if there is really infinite timelines in this multiverse, good luck ever trying to like lasso that somehow to, you know, use as an ends like good luck trying to steer that.
SPEAKER_01
00:28:20
Well, and maybe that's the answer to Hawking's question is the reason there's no time travelers is because the chance the chances of them being enough of them to hit every timeline at a certain point is infinitesimal.
SPEAKER_00
00:28:34
That's a good point.
SPEAKER_01
00:28:35
If you if you go with the logic that there are all these timelines, then you'd have to have, you know, so many more people to hit one of those times. So the chances of them hitting your timeline is is is infinitesimal.
SPEAKER_00
00:28:53
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_01
00:28:55
If it's branching so much, then they they.
SPEAKER_00
00:28:57
You're right. Like we're. Yeah, there's only so many airports.
SPEAKER_01
00:29:03
If they do hit one, it branches. And so therefore you get it gets lost again. So
SPEAKER_00
00:29:09
it's
SPEAKER_01
00:29:09
almost like, you know, it's almost like trying to find a particular grain of sand on the beach.
SPEAKER_00
00:29:16
Yeah. Yeah. Good luck. Throw it back out and find it again. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
SPEAKER_00
00:29:22
Man, never find it. There's a guy who used to work at MIT. I think his name is David Deutsch and he's a quantum computer expert. And so I don't know how much you know about quantum computers, but they are able to do these crazy amounts of calculations that normal computers can't. And it's kind of like an iffy area of like, how do they do these all these calculations? Like there's some explanation for it. And some people are just like, you know, and his explanation is once you turn on a quantum computer, not only is it doing calculations within itself, but it's connected to every version of itself on every version of the timeline. So it's actually calculating across the multiverse. And that's how it's able to do these calculations that would take a normal computer the size of our entire universe to do. So I've always thought that's a fascinating theory. It sounds a little science, you know, science fictiony, but it's still fun. You know, well,
SPEAKER_01
00:30:25
that gets to the there's a theory that, you know, if you think of something in the zeitgeist, right. So that means everybody knows it, but they don't know how they know it necessarily. So if it's in the zeitgeist, that gets into that. So I think that almost is not different timelines, but basically there's something that runs through everything that has all the knowledge that that we can tap into.
SPEAKER_01
00:30:55
We just have no idea how we tap into it. And that's how people can understand some things, even though they have no clue as to where they've learned it. You say, you know, it's part of the zeitgeist. So, I mean, it's all very interesting stuff. It's just kind of, you know, again, one of those, you know, ponderous ponderings that you can do. You're like, oh, let's think about this for a while and see what see what happens with with all these concepts and so forth.
SPEAKER_00
00:31:29
Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
00:31:30
But you're getting a hint towards conspiracy. I think Mandela is one of those conspiracy theories, even though I don't think it is necessarily, you know, kind of portrayed that way. But, you know, if things are changing, then that's a little bit of a conspiracy. If someone knows about it and others don't know about it, then it becomes a bit shady. Right.
SPEAKER_00
00:31:54
Yeah. How do you know about it?
SPEAKER_00
00:31:56
Like, why do you win on me?
SPEAKER_01
00:31:57
Somebody know about it and
SPEAKER_00
00:31:59
other
SPEAKER_01
00:31:59
people don't know about it. That's one of those interesting things where I don't think a lot of folks think about the Mandela effect as any kind of nefarious thing. But, you know, it would make perfect sense for, you know, a government entity to be the one changing the timeline. Yeah. Because that's what governments are all about is a certain amount of control in the guise of free will, because they do it every every day as a point of their operation. So, yeah, Mandela effect should probably be classified as a conspiracy and possibly a bigger conspiracy than we know. Yeah, maybe they are.
SPEAKER_00
00:32:44
Yeah. And that was
SPEAKER_01
00:32:45
changing the Berenstein bears. Right. The Berenstein bears. I don't know why.
SPEAKER_00
00:32:52
Yeah. Who knows? It's wild, right?
SPEAKER_00
00:32:56
I had something that Jogway. Yeah. Oh, it's Orwell, right? So Orwell was he who controls the past controls the future. He controls the future, controls the past. And that's, you know, yeah, that's that's the goal of government is we need to control the flow of information so we can steer the masses in the direction that we feel is beneficial to us.
SPEAKER_01
00:33:19
Right. Exactly. You want everybody kind of in rank and file in order to accomplish some goal that we as the people doing it may or may not understand or know.
SPEAKER_00
00:33:29
Yeah. And the best way to do it is to get them to do it to themselves. You know, so you can get everybody fired up on deindustrializing the planet by, you know, calling it climate change. You know, I heard Elon Musk yesterday say that he has done more for the environment than any person in history. And I'm like, you make an electric car, dude, and your electric car is replacing like high tolerance, clean burning gasoline engines that don't really pollute all that much. Like half of your cars on the East Coast run on coal. Like they're replacing cars for coal burners. And it's kind of a weird deal because I watch him say that and I go, oh, he absolutely believes it, that he's, you know, like he fully believes it and he will justify it all up and down and take it to the bank. But it's like, man, I thought that one was wild.
SPEAKER_00
00:34:21
I'm more for the bar with than anyone in history.
SPEAKER_01
00:34:25
Yeah, well, you know, they say basically in order to get people to believe the biggest lie, you just keep telling you tell a lie that's bigger than it is believable and you tell it enough and then people start believing it. And so, yeah, I mean, if he wants to maintain it, but the. It becomes a scale thing, right? So I think I'm going to get myself in trouble here by talking about this, perhaps, but that's OK. The I always say for climate change and everything that we. They're making claims, not that I don't think that in, I guess, let me phrase it this way, there is no way for us to know that we can change the climate. I mean, there's just it's so vast and so large and so forth that there's probably not any good way for us to measure it.
SPEAKER_00
00:35:21
Right.
SPEAKER_01
00:35:22
And and then but then on the other hand, I think that in pockets, right. So if you were to look at Los Angeles, for instance, let's just take Los Angeles. There's there's enough pollution there to cause smog and there's an effect, right. Cause and effect for Los Angeles. So obviously in Los Angeles, there's an issue because it's more than obvious if you've been there or lived there or seen it or watched it on the news. But to say that for the globe is just like Elon Musk saying he's done so much. Now, they'll say, well, the temperature of the oceans has risen. You know, we've been monitoring it for, you know, like what, 100 years at the maximum.
SPEAKER_00
00:36:07
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
00:36:08
And how great were your measurements 100 years ago? Right. You know,
SPEAKER_01
00:36:11
exactly. They
SPEAKER_00
00:36:12
have exactly they have this. Good.
SPEAKER_01
00:36:15
You can't. I mean, again, that's just as much of a statement as Elon Musk for that. And I but that gets to back to this whole idea of government is that government wants to steer the public, but they don't want they don't want to steer the public directly. They want to steer the public indirectly. And so then everybody by, you know, it splits the group. Some of them buy into it, some of them don't buy into it, and they let them kind of fight it out. But while they're fighting it out, they move forward on things in the background. And then there's just enough of them buying it that it all starts moving forward. And I think that's where we're at. Not that I don't think we should do something to clean up things.
SPEAKER_00
00:37:01
Yeah. Air pollution is bad. Like, it's such an easy thing to say, be like, yeah, air pollution is bad. We should want to have clean air and everything.
SPEAKER_00
00:37:08
That doesn't mean that you can like. Just control a thermometer of a planet, you know, like that's right. And to be able to control something, you have to be able to measure it like you were saying, and they can't even measure it properly. Like the ocean temperature, that's that's iffy because your your measurements 100 years ago were crap. And then the measurements are taking over land are also bad because again, like 50, 60 years ago, when they were taking these measurements, all the thermometers were at airports and all these airports were out in the middle of fields with nothing around them. And now they're in the middle of metropolitan cities and you get this heat island effect. So they're looking, oh, my God, it's so much hotter. And it's like, well, maybe in the city, you know, that most runways were grass. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00
00:37:53
They're
SPEAKER_01
00:37:54
all asphalt and concrete. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
00:37:56
And, you know, like you said, with the government, they do this through they do this through the universities like it starts in the universities. Hey, look, go to the college, be better than than the, you know, dirty construction workers that your parents were like, you don't need to do that garbage. Go. You can learn these secrets. You know, it's almost like they used to do secret societies back in the day. Now college is like the secret society where you're learning the real things that, you know, you're not supposed to learn that the government doesn't really want you to know. And it's like, well, yeah, that's exactly what they want you to know. You know, so, yeah, they they're able to like. Get people to to police themselves through like universities and, you know, money essentially all comes down to money. You know, we're going to fund these universities to give us an answer that we like about climate change. You know, here's a million dollars. We want to know how how bad climate change is going to be 20 years from now, not what it's going to be like. We want to know how bad it's going to be.
SPEAKER_01
00:39:00
Right. Extrapolate that for me. We were the funny thing was, and I can't remember where I saw this, but it was back in the 70s. They said we were going to be in an ice age.
SPEAKER_00
00:39:10
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Point. I've got it. I've got a whole article.
SPEAKER_00
00:39:14
I'll send you. I archived it in my deal. It's 51 years of horrible climate predictions. And you just go through 50 years of them. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01
00:39:24
So we're not I mean, you get it right when it happens. That's the the way it works. Yeah. But I do think that it would be it's good to be, you know, good to the environment. It's good for people. It's good for everybody. But yeah, they go about it in such a weird way. I was I was talking to somebody else and I said, OK, so let's let's just say let's just say that we we want to we want to improve the environment. You see, the reality is, I think they say that, but they don't want to know. They just
SPEAKER_00
00:39:58
want to control the resources.
SPEAKER_01
00:40:00
Right. Exactly.
SPEAKER_01
00:40:01
It's all a matter of control. And like, so let's say you want to improve the environment. So you have all the mechanisms via, you know, federal, state, city, you know, county all the way down in government to do this. So what you do is you say, OK, we're going to we're going to make things better with the environment. So so any new house built, any brand, any new house built in the country, they have to have so they have to have solar panels enough on their house to power that house. OK, so that's the rule now. You want to build a new house? Guess what? You're going to have a solar roof. You're going to have solar in your yard. You're going to have solar somewhere for an individual family dwelling. Right. So a family of
SPEAKER_00
00:40:52
four,
SPEAKER_01
00:40:53
what have you. They can do that. They can make that happen. Now, the increase in the expense for that house just as a guesstimate, you know, probably around 30, 40 thousand dollars. Yeah. Right. So it's not it's not it's not insignificant. No. But if, you know, you're making a lot of houses cost, you know, two hundred thousand dollars or more, if you're going to have like in a neighborhood suburbia kind of a situation, it's still it's still significant, but really, it's not all that significant. Yeah. So if you really wanted to affect change, you could do it in zoning and regulations that way and say, all you guys make in new houses, guess what? You got to build this in. And then what will happen if we're looking at the market, all those costs will come down because everybody's doing it. Right. And then competition comes in. And so then you can get these things cheaper. And so then it pushes it down from forty thousand to twenty five thousand. So it's there's not there's no mystery to solving the problem. The funny thing is, is that everybody doesn't, you know, we all read the news and follow the trends rather than say, take a moment and let's think about this and how could you affect this if you really in the systems that we currently have, if they really wanted to do something about it. You know, it's it doesn't make sense to me because it would not be a hard change. And and yes, everybody would grumble and gripe at the moment. But guess what? If you moved into a house that essentially sustained itself, then you'd be like, this is the best thing ever. If you were forced in that situation, you'd be like, yeah, you know, you'd hate it at the moment, but love it at the at the other side. I know that then that gets into the power companies not getting their money and well and so forth. But yeah, I mean, it seems like it's not a I know that's a simplification of
SPEAKER_00
00:43:03
a
SPEAKER_01
00:43:03
solution.
SPEAKER_00
00:43:05
The problem is, it's not supposed to be solved like it's not. They don't want to solve this problem. They want a perpetual problem that is going to last forever. And this one, you can stretch out forever.
SPEAKER_01
00:43:17
You know why? Because you need the government in your life to
SPEAKER_00
00:43:20
help. The government is here to help. We're just your your your friendly uncle, you know, that doesn't have any kids in the neighborhood.
SPEAKER_00
00:43:28
We're going to have you all over for dinner a couple nights to one. Yeah. You know, the solar panel thing is weird because I'm I'm all for solar panels as long as you're not forcing them on me. And give me something that's not going to like hurt my house, because a lot of times you put these panels up on your roof and it gets trashed. You know, and it's it doesn't help you sell the house. It actually hurts the resale value of the house. And. Any time the government forces something, you're always going to have problems. So, you know, you get price controls, you get shortages, and that's probably what you would end up running into with this. If you could have the reason that we don't have solar panels on our house is right now is because it's not economically feasible at this point. Like when it's when the market decides that this thing is ready, we're all going to know it because you're going to be able to buy a roof tile that looks exactly like the roof tile that you have right now. Oh, it's just going to charge, you know, charge your home. But then you run into another problem like.
SPEAKER_00
00:44:33
So, for instance, I was a lineman before I got hurt. I worked on power lines and variable energy is not easy for power lines. Like we need to have a stand. We need to know how much energy we're getting from each source at any given time. Otherwise, you can't really balance out the grid. Too much energy is just as bad as not enough. And that's something that like solar doesn't do well. I know in California, I think I could be wrong about the state, but I think it's California at this point. When I grew up in California, they were pushing everybody, hey, get these solar panels. You'll you know, your house is going to charge itself and we'll buy it back from you. And then they had to stop that because there was just too much variability in the grid and they just couldn't handle it. So now I don't even think they're buying the power back anymore. And the whole the whole promise was this, hey, we're going to give you a battery that's going to be good enough to sit in your in your garage. It'll, you know, store all the extra power that you don't use in your house throughout the day.
SPEAKER_00
00:45:34
And then you can down, you know, dump it into your car and drive to work. But those batteries have not came out yet.
SPEAKER_01
00:45:42
No, not yet. I suppose they're working on that. But
SPEAKER_00
00:45:46
sure they
SPEAKER_01
00:45:47
are. But yeah, it's interesting though. Yeah, because the I think the hard part would be is because they're also there's something coming out now that it's solar windows. So basically all your windows can generate.
SPEAKER_00
00:46:02
Bring it on.
SPEAKER_01
00:46:04
I love it. And yeah. And so I think eventually the wild thing, I mean, this is extrapolating. Eventually it'll all happen. But the problem is they want to pace everything because they don't want it to happen too quickly because then there's volatility. And then also then you start losing control. And
SPEAKER_00
00:46:23
they don't want us energy independent either.
SPEAKER_01
00:46:26
That's true. But it would be neat to see that, you know, just ecologically to see that just because then, you know, you could the potential is there. It's not there yet, but the potential would be there. You could generate your own power than not to have to have all the power lines strong and all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00
00:46:48
I'm a big nuclear guy. I think we should all have resources. Yeah. I think we should all have nuclear power plants at like my HOA. We should have our own nuclear power plant. Essentially, like it's not hard to do.
SPEAKER_00
00:47:00
It's rocks and water. It's a fancy steam engine.
SPEAKER_01
00:47:03
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's like a sterling engine. Yeah. In a situation. And
SPEAKER_00
00:47:08
like we should all have those at our houses by now or not at our houses, but like in our neighborhoods, like we should be like, I think it would be so cool if when I bought my house here, they could go, they go, Hey, look, we don't, we don't, we don't depend on, on the city or the county for power. We've got our own system here. You can run a business out of your house. You can use as much energy as you want because we've got it all, you know, and that's something that they really don't want is like the individual entrepreneur to have like unlimited access to energy because right now they, you know, they can only go so far without, you know, asking the government for help. Essentially, you can only build it like there's no, there's never going to be another Amazon who emerges as like a leader in some field without government saying that it's okay because, you know, they've got these ESG is, is the new thing. And, you know, it's always fun to check a company's ESG score because the ones who you would think have good ones do not. And the ones that have the best are just the worst countries, you know, are the worst corporations in the world.
SPEAKER_00
00:48:20
And, you know, if you're an entrepreneur and say you're a contractor and you want to build, you know, skyscrapers in New York City, good luck getting the money to do that without, without the right ESG score. It's just not going to happen. Right. You know?
SPEAKER_01
00:48:39
Yeah. Well, that and then, you know, power corrupts. So anytime you hand power to anybody, there's a certain amount of corruption in all of it. Just comes with the territory just because that's just the way it goes. I mean, that's what happens once somebody gets a little taste of it and they're like, I want more or I want to control this or control that. And it gets out of, it gets out of control with all that happening. So that's interesting.
SPEAKER_00
00:49:10
So let's switch gears here.
SPEAKER_01
00:49:11
It's interesting. Oh, sure.
SPEAKER_00
00:49:13
I was going to say, let's switch gears here. What do you think about the UFO hearings that the government's doing right now? Because that could be our energy. You know, if they really do have these machines, who knows what type of power source they have? And there's your answer.
SPEAKER_00
00:49:29
If you really want to, you know, keep the, keep the temperature at what it is right now. That's right.
SPEAKER_01
00:49:40
I'm a little, I'm a little bit torn on this situation because of, but I think as far as what's happening, if you talk about the government hearings, again, it's more controlling the message situation, I think. So they don't. So essentially it's just like, so we went from UFO to UAP. Yeah. No one said UAP until the government said UAP because they want to control the language and then controlling the language is controlling some message. And so, yeah, I think the hearings are all about that. So I think that that's essentially all that is, is in some way to control things. Now I've talked to people about this and, you know, there's kind of, obviously there's many different sides, but one side is that there are no UFOs. It's all government-built machinery. That we just don't get to hear about yet. And then the other side is that there are, and these aren't having any relation to the government and the government's scared of them. But I don't know, I think it's somewhere in between.
SPEAKER_00
00:50:49
I could believe either of those options.
SPEAKER_01
00:50:50
Yeah, I think it's somewhere. I think there are things. So I just read something recently about a craft that the, you know, that the Air Force has or whatever, get anywhere in the world in two hours. So that is, because basically it goes up into space and then travels with the rotation of the earth so that that way you can pretty much get anywhere. So you just go straight up into the upper atmosphere where it's thin, and then just drop down faster. There's nothing in the way and then you just drop down.
SPEAKER_00
00:51:27
That's kind of like what Elon wants to do with SpaceX. I've read.
SPEAKER_01
00:51:32
Yeah, yeah. Well, by understanding, I've known about this, read about this probably, gosh, more than 20 years ago. There's a project called Aurora, which is a ship that does, goes up into the atmosphere and comes back down. And its claim was to be anywhere in the world in less than 24 hours.
SPEAKER_01
00:51:51
So now they've got it down to two hours. But as far as, you know, the things that you see that don't have propulsion or anything, then I don't know. That's a good question. I'm of the thought that they're not governmental ships. I think those other ones are. I don't think that we have anti-gravity in any form that can move, you know, anything that's that large. So let's say as larger, larger than like a 747. I think they do have smaller anti-gravity things and so forth, but I don't think they have larger ones. And so, you know, there's sometimes you if you read about them, you know, there's things that are, they say I saw this thing as big as a football field. Let's say this thing is a mile wide. I don't think that's the government. I think that's something else. But probably all the smaller stuff is probably, you know, governmental. But yeah, anything bigger than that. Now, interestingly enough, I've got a story for you, a UFO story. Oh, good.
SPEAKER_01
00:53:01
I love it. I, in 2005, I was outside in the afternoon about this time, about four o'clock in the afternoon in May. So it was actually still light outside. It wasn't getting dark. It was, you know, like broad daylight for all, you know, intensive purposes. And I had a sphere fly over my house, a UFO, a sphere. I saw the I saw it coming at us and then I saw it leaving us. So it wasn't the nose kind of a plane or something like that. It was at altitude. It went in and out of the clouds. You could see the clouds go in front of it and go behind it. And it probably lasted about 20 seconds. I watched it basically go from one point on my visual field all the way to the other. And it was wild. I mean, nothing happened. No one, you know, beamed any thoughts into my head or anything.
SPEAKER_00
00:54:04
As far as you know.
SPEAKER_01
00:54:09
It just went over and I was like kind of flabbergasted. The weird thing I was outside playing with my kids when they were a little, they didn't see it or anything because they were just like tiny. And and I just watched this thing. It was the most bizarre situation. And so, you know, I talked to some folks about it and they're all like, oh, you're that was a jet. It was this. It was like, no, it was a ball. And my guess was, you know, it's hard to gauge things.
SPEAKER_01
00:54:38
I'm not a pilot
SPEAKER_00
00:54:40
or
SPEAKER_01
00:54:40
anything. I've only, you know, just like a regular person seeing stuff in the air. It probably was four times or larger the size of the front end of a jet. Like,
SPEAKER_00
00:54:50
wow. So it was big.
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00:54:52
It was big. Wow. It was it was very large. I mean, it was it was large enough, you know, whenever you look at planes that are flying up in the clouds, you can see them, but they're not super big. So it was it was larger than that. And, you know, kind of a straight line from southeast to northwest. And I just so happened to be, you know, kind of over where I lived at the time. And so, yeah, I was like, so I'm like, I started doubting myself a little bit. And I happened to look up at the time, it was a call a site called UFO Maps. And sure enough, somebody in the next town saw the same thing, going the same direction at the same time. So then I got confirmation that because I don't know who this
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00:55:41
person
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00:55:41
was.
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00:55:41
I don't have no connection to him at all. They just happened to either go to Mufon or one of
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00:55:48
those
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00:55:48
places and talk. I didn't talk to anybody other than friends or whatever. And yeah, so what happened? So and this was, like I said, 2005. And at that point in time, I was really puzzled because I don't remember at the time, at least, ever hearing about a spherical UFO. I mean, maybe there were stories or something, but I had never encountered it. And when I did searches and so forth, I didn't turn up very much. Most of the time, people talk about saucers
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00:56:20
and
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00:56:21
talk about like a cigar shape. They talk about, you know, triangles and all this kind of stuff. This was a literally looked like a big metal ball up in the sky. Wow.
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00:56:32
And that's so cool because there's no aerodynamics to that at all.
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00:56:36
Right. Exactly.
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00:56:38
Like, why would anybody ever design something like that with the technology that we have? It makes no sense.
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00:56:45
No sense. And how would you you wouldn't like in because it just
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00:56:49
how could you control it? There's no fins. There's no, you know,
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00:56:53
like there's no there's no
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00:56:54
nothing. It's not traveling through the air.
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00:56:56
I guess it's traveling through space.
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00:57:01
So, yeah, that was the weirdest. And so, yeah, so I had that experience. So having had that experience now, you know, coming through all these years. And obviously, the other part of it is I've always had an interest. So even as a kid, I was, you know, watching anything I could, you know, back in the in the 80s and 90s and so forth, there wasn't as much content as there is now. But I watched stuff back then. And then, you know, I have people like, well, you saw it because you wanted to see it, you know, and I'm like, well, if I wanted to see it, don't you think I would have manifested this idea, you know, 20 years ago when
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00:57:39
I was younger? And apparently you're manifesting something that other people can see as well.
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00:57:44
Right. Exactly. That's
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00:57:46
a cool trick. I'll take that. Exactly.
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00:57:48
Who I don't even know. Right.
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00:57:50
Who I'm no familiarity with at all. Cool. So, yeah, I'm like, and I haven't seen anything since. So I don't think that really flies. But a lot of people love to say that to you. But that's where the divide comes. So, you know, if it's that's why I think if it's if it's something larger, I think we haven't seen, you know, there's nothing typically as things progress. Right. Technology. You get glimpses like I've always said, you know, Discovery Channel is showing stuff from 25 years ago as the latest and greatest. Right. So if they're telling you it's the latest and greatest, it's probably at least 25 years old. Yeah. Television. And so we haven't got anything iteratively that comes to this point, even 25 years, because it's been now almost 20 years since I saw this. And we still don't have anything iteratively that would be like it. Crazy. And so I think that's where that's where I come in the middle there is that you can kind of see the progression of technology if you're paying attention to, you know, what's what they're working on. They're showing you now. Yeah.
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00:59:02
Yeah.
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00:59:03
To project into the future. But I think the things that you don't see are things that probably are it doesn't necessarily mean that they're aliens necessarily, but they are technology that's not being created by our government or any others because, you know, you would think if some other government had it, they would probably utilize it a little bit more. Yeah.
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00:59:29
I personally think it's probably more likely that it's a breakaway civilization than it's aliens.
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00:59:35
Like, you know, who knows how long there could just be this breakaway group. Yeah, man, that's cool as shit. I've only I've never seen a UFO before. I've seen like a crazy light in the sky once, but I'm not comfortable to say what it was. It's just kind of a light. But when I was I was a kid in the early mid 90s, probably we were out at Lake Almanore in Northern California, which is right by Lake Shasta, which is, you know, one of the weirdest places on earth. Right. Yeah. Mount
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01:00:06
Shasta is supposed to be really wild.
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01:00:07
Yeah. Yeah. So we're out on the lake one day and a jet military jet breaks the sound barrier right over our heads. Oh, wow. At the time, I didn't realize how strange that was. And my dad knows a lot about jets and he saw it. I didn't see it. I kind of like jumped in the water or something because it was just crazy, you know? And he said it was like nothing he'd ever seen. But he said it was a jet. Like, but he goes, this is nothing I'd ever seen before. And he said that it didn't have any, like, gear under it. So to me, it sounds like we saw a Raptor, an F-22. And but the weird thing is, is that it broke the sound barrier. And what the hell was it doing breaking the sound barrier over a public lake? Like, that is so crazy illegal that there must have been a good reason for it. So I always thought that was strange.
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01:01:01
But that's interesting. I didn't see anything, but I was in the late 90s. I was at work and I think I was coming back from lunch or something. And we were walking into the building and we heard what sounded like somebody breaking the sound barrier. It's got a certain really weird kind of way it happens. And we're like, oh my gosh, what was that? Because it sounded like the whole world was breaking up at that moment. You feel it.
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01:01:36
And yeah, you feel it. And I mean, it's just, and you're looking around and it wasn't, we didn't see anything, but we just heard it. And I live in St. Louis and this was in St. Louis City, which that should not be happening anywhere near St. Louis City. So, but yeah. And then they said later, like a few days later, the news reported that it was a foundry. Get this is the weirdest explanation. So there's a foundry across the river in Granite City, Illinois, right across from St.
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01:02:11
Louis. A foundry had basically water poured on the molten metal that then made that sound. So accidentally somebody, they had all this molten metal, I guess, ready
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to
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go because they're making iron and what have you. And it got drenched quickly. And that made that sound because then, I mean, people died or something, supposedly. Wow. But that's what made the sound. They
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said. So it's just a big explosion.
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01:02:45
Yeah, essentially. Yeah, it was like an explosion at the factory there. But I mean, I'm like, really? I mean, that because we're like, you know, probably 25 or 30 miles from this thing. It didn't make any sense to me. And I don't know that there was like, to me, that sounds like there'd be devastation. Like essentially it would shut down that part of it for like years. Potentially while they went through a whole thing. But it's been up and running. Wow,
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01:03:16
that's strange.
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01:03:18
So I think they were just trying to come up with an explanation as to why this happened. Yeah. I don't think that it was anything like a UFO or anything. I think it was that military did this and then they had to cover it up somehow. Yeah.
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01:03:32
And maybe it was an accident. Maybe it wasn't, you know, the last time I heard anything, you know, of any like. Jet breaking the sound barrier over the continental United States was 9-11 when there was fighter jets buzzing all around and people were hearing, you know, sonic booms all over the place. But for the most part, they do not do that. Like, it's very illegal.
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01:03:57
I know it like in San Francisco, I lived in San Francisco for a while. We did Fleet Week every year there and they would bring in the Blue Angels and you don't break the barrier there. Oh, boy, you do not break the barrier there. Like, there would be so much damage if you broke the barrier right over that city. It would be. Oh,
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01:04:16
yeah. That's wild. Yeah. But the back to the UFO. Yeah, yeah. Essentially, they fly faster than that, but they don't break the sound barrier. Yeah. Because that's not because they're not.
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01:04:30
Traveling through the air.
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01:04:31
Pressing.
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01:04:32
Yeah, they're not compressing the air in the same way that planes do and so forth. And so, yeah, that just becomes a whole other thing. The interesting thing to me on all that is I don't know if you've seen anything about Bob Lazar. Yeah, yeah. He's a so there was a documentary about him. He's been basically talking about this since the 90s when he kind of outed Area 51 in the early 90s. And he mentioned back then, element 115, right, which was called Muscovian. And now I think it's ultimate all pented. I can't remember.
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Yeah, I don't remember either.
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01:05:13
But anyway, and now that's come out now, what, 30 years later, they're like, oh, yeah, well, there's an element 115. Yeah. And when he was saying it, there wasn't. And he said, oh, yeah, they've run on element 115, which didn't exist on the periodic table. And now, lo and behold, 20 years later, 30 years later, there is an element 115, but it's never in a stable state. They've been able to have it, but then it destabilizes almost immediately and so forth. But he was talking about it all those years ago. And his story is so interesting because it's been fairly consistent. And he's been hassled by the government ever since in small ways, like over time. And the weird thing was, even at the time he came out with it, he said, the reason I'm telling everybody this is because I'm afraid I'm going to get killed because if I don't talk, then they'll just kill me. And if I do talk, then it looks suspicious if they do kill me. And since then, he's been kind of hassled and stuff like that.
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And you know what's always weirded me out about element 115 is it takes our largest particle accelerators to make tiny, tiny little bits of it that disappear immediately.
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So what kind of machine is needed to make a bowling ball of stable form of this stuff? There must be so much energy involved that it's crazy. Oh, yeah. And I've always been a big space guy. So the Fermi paradox, it weirds me out when you see these UFOs. I still call them UFOs. They're here. How are they here when there's no civilization anywhere around us? Unless they're able to hack into our stuff and make themselves disappear, which again, very possible. How hard would it be for somebody to make if you can make a wormhole or whatever you're doing to get over here? It wouldn't be that hard to hack into a couple of satellites that are looking at our deal. But who knows? I mean, space is infinite. These things could be further than we could see away. If you've got wormholes or technology that you can move faster than light, you can just go, we're just going to go outside of their bubble of known space. Or then you've got the ultra terrestrial theory where maybe there was a split timeline at one point and they just live here in the same place as we do. We can't see them. They can see us. There's so much. There's so many weird options out there.
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01:08:04
They're on a different plane of existence. Yeah,
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01:08:07
different dimensions.
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01:08:07
It just peeks through. Yeah. I never used to believe in ghosts. And then I started understanding multiple dimensions and how that could explain what's going on. And now I kind of believe in ghosts, which is creepy.
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01:08:23
No, but I've always, you know, it's another one of these weird things. But I always tell people, I'm like, if you can believe in, and I just use this as an example, if you can believe in God, then you have to believe in ghosts and you have to believe in UFOs and you have to believe in Bigfoot and you have to believe in all these things that everyone calls people crazy about because you're going through the same paces as those people are. It's just a different subject. And people always get, some people get angry. They're like, oh, I believe in God because you know, this and that and the other. It's like, because it's no different. You either have an experience and you believe your experience or you never had an experience and you just believe in it because it's what you feel is the right for you. And so it's really no different. But I think it's funny when people get aggravated because they're like, well, no, my, you know, imaginary belief is better than your imaginary belief.
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01:09:26
Even though they're both, you're both putting your trust in something that you may or may not have an experience with. So, you know, to me at this point, because I've seen something, right, that's more real than other things because I, it was, you know, it was something that was really, for me, it was really there. I mean, I couldn't touch it, but I could see it didn't make any sound, but I could see it. And I watched it and observed it for, like I said, about 20 seconds. So it became real in that moment. So yeah, it's interesting, but it goes to the same thing. It's like if you experience something, then chances are that that solidifies whatever your thoughts are. But I've always said that, you know, if you look at, if you look at time, so they always say time is not linear. Yeah, right. Time is nonlinear. And so then I think a lot of times I think if you've ever worked in Photoshop or something like that, you have layers, right? So everything's layered. So if time's layered, then a ghost may be somebody from another time that slipped through the layer. Yeah. And now they're on the layer that you're on. And maybe because of, you know, things we don't understand yet, makes them look translucent or something. And so really, there's no, you know, then that becomes the ghost. The problem is not that it's happening. The problem is not that it's happening.
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01:11:02
The problem is that we don't have a way to measure that and we don't have a way to replicate it. But, you know, maybe time's thinner in certain spots and things can slip through.
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01:11:12
I love it. Bob, I could talk to you for hours. Let's call it here. We'll have you on again sometime. This was great. Thanks again, buddy. We'll see everybody next time. Thanks for listening. Good night, everybody. Take care.